Comments on: is co’creation the new proverbial ‘black’? http://copenhagencocreation.com/2010/01/15/is-co%e2%80%99creation-the-new-proverbial-%e2%80%98black%e2%80%99/ / Co-creation changes the game of innova­tion from designing FOR people to design­ing WITH people Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:05:31 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Johannes http://copenhagencocreation.com/2010/01/15/is-co%e2%80%99creation-the-new-proverbial-%e2%80%98black%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-1975 Johannes Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:05:31 +0000 http://copenhagencocreation.com/?p=2035#comment-1975 Hi Jesper, thanks for your article. I found your notion of experts having to abandon their expert role particularly interesting. As a designer involved into co-creative processes, I wonder whether I still do design, moderation, or just collaborate with others. Bruce Sterling said in <i>Shaping Things</i>: "Everyone can't be a designer" because designers are trained to look and to work with loads of impressions. If we declare designers (in their classic understanding) obsolete in this new process, because all ideas are shaped collaboratively - will this produce the same quality? Who does define quality then? And a second point: True that (some) artists work purely out of the material they have or find - leaving the outcome open. However, design is different from art and a totally open ending hardly fits the goal of solving problems. So maybe this analogy doesn't work so well. (In this sense, you can also argue that design is a much more affirmative part of capitalism than art) Hi Jesper, thanks for your article.

I found your notion of experts having to abandon their expert role particularly interesting. As a designer involved into co-creative processes, I wonder whether I still do design, moderation, or just collaborate with others.
Bruce Sterling said in Shaping Things: “Everyone can’t be a designer” because designers are trained to look and to work with loads of impressions.
If we declare designers (in their classic understanding) obsolete in this new process, because all ideas are shaped collaboratively – will this produce the same quality? Who does define quality then?

And a second point:
True that (some) artists work purely out of the material they have or find – leaving the outcome open. However, design is different from art and a totally open ending hardly fits the goal of solving problems. So maybe this analogy doesn’t work so well.
(In this sense, you can also argue that design is a much more affirmative part of capitalism than art)

]]> By: Steven Smith http://copenhagencocreation.com/2010/01/15/is-co%e2%80%99creation-the-new-proverbial-%e2%80%98black%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-1974 Steven Smith Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:32:56 +0000 http://copenhagencocreation.com/?p=2035#comment-1974 Thanks for your article. You need more research to corroborate your points, which in this article are what you think and not what you know. Thanks for your article. You need more research to corroborate your points, which in this article are what you think and not what you know.

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